Gay arabic
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Mina Gerges (MG), originally from Egypt, talks to us about reconciling both his gay and Arab identities
London, UK – 13 Parade 2019
PTF: Being gay and Arab places you in two sometimes conflicting cultures. What was that enjoy, and how did it affect your sexual culture journey?
MG: I was born in Egypt and grew up in Abu Dhabi, and I emigrated to Canada when I was 11. Growing up meant understanding that my individuality is extremely complex and intersectional, it’s made up of several marginalized, misunderstood communities that aren’t prevalent in Western culture, so growing up and coming out was complicated and alienating.
I grew up in a country where being queer is a taboo subject, where the only word for entity gay when I lived there was a negative word. It made conclusion myself feel like a monumental challenge: how act I accept who I am when my individuality is in direct disagreement to the very foundation of Middle Eastern customs and Coptic identity, and how do I deal with the shame it’ll bring my family? Growing up, I felt tremendous shame because being lgbtq+, Middle Eastern/North African, and Coptic felt like an illegitimate and confusing mix of identities.
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How Do You Say Gay in Arabic?
The Arabic subtitles for the film The Best Exotic Marigold Hotel translate the word gay into the Arabic equal of pervert, according to an article by Steve Clemons in the Atlantic. A pair of Arabic speakers told Clemons that Arabic doesn’t have a respectful word for gay, except for the recently coined word mithli. When did the Arabic-speaking planet recognize the existence of homosexuality?
More than a millennium ago. Clemons has picked up on a decades-old debate in Western academic circles. In Michel Foucault’s 1976 book The History of Sexuality, the French philosopher claimed that although homosexual acts are prehistoric, Europeans and Americans didn’t recognize homosexuality as a trait until the 19th century. Several linguists backed Foucault’s claim, arguing that many Western languages had words for homosexual acts, but not for homosexuality, until very recently. If these theorists are exact, then the Islamic society was about 1,000 years ahead of the West on this issue. Classical Arabic texts have several words for homosexuals and homosexuality dating back to the ninth century.
The pos luti, for example, appears in 13
Lebanese Arabic: gay/homosexual
apricots said:
To put a fine signal on it, شاذ and لوطي should be considered as fag/faggot in English and are highly contemptuous. To say that these are just the words people are used to and thus not the same is besides the point. They are repulsive to Arab LGBTQ and thus derogatory. Many Arabs may not be familiar with the shorthand مثلي but مثلي الجنس should be understood everywhere and these are with should be used.
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To clarify my direct a little:
My original phrasing of this sentence was poor as it implied that the term itself might not be disparaging, which is not my position at all, as should be clear from my first post in the thread or the first paragraph from my second post. I concur with you that the term shouldnot be used by anyone.jack_1313 said:
That said, it's hard to pinpoint just how insulting a given speaker intends to be when they use the term شاذ
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Besides what show, though? The original interrogate was about the language people use, notTo speak that these are just the words people are used to and thus not the same is besides the point.
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